the kansas city chiefs are already there. the greg norman, they made it -- new orleans saints, they made it themselves. it's their own fault when they denied there was a bounty program in place and it went on for three years. i understand there were going to be problems there. we've seen this. sean payton is obviously, a major hole at the top of their organization. they'll win today, i think. this will be the highest scoring game between these two teams. scott pioli was brought in to run this franchise and right now it's on his shoulders that if they lose, he is going to be hearing it loud and clear if he hasn't already in kansas city. shannon: this is not the patriots midwest? boomer: no, without tom brady. shannon: exactly. when you look at the 2 of 0 teams, the philadelphia eagles and arizona cardinals, michael vick, won both ballgames by one point. they've turned the ball over nine points. the arizona cardinals defense is better than people give them credit for. they've given up two touchdowns the entire season the bluepr